You cannot beat basic rule of physics saying that energy does not come from nowhere, and does not disappear to nowhere. I ordered my heater on the 14th of Dec. and was told that it would not take more than 14 days (what a joke)I started calling around the first of January and I could not get anyone on the phone. The facade is added over the top without touching except for where fastened. They were not meant to be used in that manner. Everybody is forsale for a price Even BOB VILLA. The machine shot out sparks. Nice flat spot for debris. THIS is the reason the heating companies have zone heating. It will cost more. The linear source of infrared radiant energy and heat exchanger are mounted in a heater core that is thermally insulated by an air jacket from an exterior case. In the end, remember that electric space heaters in and of themselves can't save you energy and lower your utility bills over the winter. Yes but they are ugly units and they both worked. Electric heat is VERY expensive, no matter how much you pay for your heater. I have a 1400 watt heat gun and my wife has a 1800 watt hairdryer. If you buy one of the cheapies to make do, your dollars are going out the window. Mr.Vila and Eden Pure do you really think it is fair game on humanity to peddle your wares on them? You could heat an inner room to 70 degrees with the EdenPure for maybe $60/month ($0.15/kWh * 12 hrs/day * 30 days) while dropping the thermastat on the rest of the house to 50 degrees, reducing your heating bill by 40% (assuming avg temp outside is 20 degrees) saving $200/month on natural gas, thereby saving you about $140/month overall! to produce those BTUs. I can prove that is nonsense in 3 seconds in my house. You just have to decide if the features of the Eden Pure are worth the extra cost over a less expensive space heater. That claim of a 20,000 bulb life in an Edenpure heater is completely false. Thanks to all of your warnings I will now seek out a nice space heater for around $50 or so and continue to heat my home the same way I have been, just keeping the space heater handy for when I want a little extra heat on colder days. Hello everyone,Wow what a group of knowledge about the Eden pure heater glad that I came upon this Hub.I find the info very good, and I would like to thank all of you for your comments especially Energy Eng.,Lots of good suggestions and just good ole plain sense.I've been looking at getting one of the Eden pures and just trying it out to see if it will accommodate some of my heating needs.My wife and I are not sure what type to get ,but we know that the basic hearter furnance is not the most efficient.We will try it and get back to you all.Again thanks for the info and the laughs.God bless and have a wonderful Christmas and Holidays. EdenPURE claims it uses a copper coil to reduce harsh heat. Before eden pure electric bill $75.00 and Propane bill (75 gals per month/2.99 = 224.25. total monthly costs $299.25, After eden pure electric bill $135.00 and Propane bill (25 gals per month/2.99= 74.75 total monthly costs $209.75, $347.00 for new Gen4, pays for self in 3.87 months, Don't care about all you "stats" just what my check book says, and it tells me the Eden Pure is working for me :))). I have 1250 sq ft upstairs and 1250 downstairs. Because heating up a room with electric heat is the most expensive way to do it, simply closing off furnace ducts to unused rooms would result in bigger savings using an EdenPURE, and it would not involve the cost of a new heater. It seems the less expensive ones will not last as long (20,000hrs vs 80,000hrs, for the more expensive. The only way it would have is if I used it exactly like the Eden Pure is supposed to be used. You still need them. I was directed to 3 different 800 customer service numbers. Looked first at a $14.99 ceramic heater that uses 1500 watts and is rated at just over 5000 btu's. Though I dont know why you would want to. It does heat evenly. So all the rest is just hype , Shame on Bob Vella. Paying almost $400.00 an Edenpure with needing bulbs every two years, these are no longer a savings, Biotech Research lends their name Edenpure out to all these little retailers who soak you on the price of the heating bulbs. I would rather have on sweats, even with another shirt under and be comfortable with my $200. THINK ABOUT IT. This can be an effective do-it-yourself project, just be careful doing so, or get someone experienced to help you. I will never buy another one and will tell others not to, they are well overrated. I just looked them up, and they are 42.99 plus 9.95 shipping. Any way, thank you. Its safer than most to. I don't know where the originator here got the cubic feet, but that is not from the EdenPure advertisiing. Again, it was ZONE heating and with a heat pump, like that was going to save me money. I live on a mountain in Colorado. Once again use your heads and think about what you need. That crock of the well-known barnyard commodity doesn't cut it. Bob Vila gave two types of scenarios. The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers to this website may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. No its all on the website and in the advert's you've just got to read and understand. HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. Also the actual cost for Endenpure gen 4 is $397 (2010 cost) refurbished 374.00 so there are models that are returned for a savings $23.00. at a fraction of the cost,with the same heat output a far fewer failure rates. Conclusion: Bill Burkett acted within his rights and duties as an employee of John Handon. We have unplugged our Eden Pure and have decided to think of this as a 300.00 back up heat source in case our gas furnace takes a dump. Look at memy trusty Lasso heater is only $25 and can easily heat a small room. Bill Burkett is 70 years old and was born on 09/11/1951. He is just whoring for the Edenpure company (or whatever their corporate identification is). EdenPURE claims stretch the truth. Are the so called experts on here thick or something. the first home I woned was a manufactured home, and I first used zone-heating to beat the cost of heating the outdoors through the leaky ducts (until I repaired them, of course !) I also agree with your opinion on products sold by celebrities. Mine stopped working 2nd yr. @$400 no thanks! I realized that this was the start of giving me the run around. By not heating the unoccupied rooms of your home, you will cut your heating bill. I feel perfectly safe with the EdenPure and I probably would with the DuraFlame. Out performs? Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 20, 2012: Ritamarie, thank you for the lengthy comment. Any electric heater is 100% efficient. There was an ad/coupon in the Sunday paper and then I caught the informercial on tv and felt I had found a good thing. perputhen live stream / joshua andrews obituary. Some people still can't get it. Heating the ceramic creates a more even heat. So, that is where your decision lies if the small and inexpensive heater does not cost any more to use and will heat the same square footageDo you feel safe with the cheap one? Also, dont buy Cub Cadet. I have ran both units and can say for 100% certainty that my $39.99 radiator heater heated as well if not better than the Edenpure unit (neither put out enough heat to adequately heat my basement). they will endorse anything for a price . PUT A THRMOSTAT IN EACH LARGE ROOM IN YOUR HOUSE THEN INSTALL A SWITCHER TO CONTROL EACH THERMOSTAT IT CUT MY BILL IN HALF. I am on a fixed income and can't afford to pay almost the same amount I paid for it to ship it back. And it is VERY safe. I criticize the device for a few reasons: But Consumer Reports latest review on EdenPure says it best: Manufacturers of electric space heaters want you to believe that using one of their devices will lower your heating bill. 1500w in one heater is not the same as 1500w in another using different tech to generate heat. dont buy this heater,if you live in California. Needless to say, i WILL NOT be buying any expensive heating units with misleading claims of their efficiency and lower monthly savings. So reliability can be good or bad. Was given to me as a gift and I'm looking to buy a second unit for my second floor. I did consider the possibility of buying one, but after reading your hub i re-read the brochure and realized that this was also extremely misleading without actually lying. It is likely that Sylvania gets the rated 20,000 hours of bulb life in their normal testing fixtures / burn racks. 3) Infrared doesn't just heat air molecules, it also heats water molecules (humidity) as it passes through an infrared heat exchanger. Hmmm, think about it. I'm absolutely thrilled with my unit. Whether it saves more money than all the others is not the issue. I'll definitely buy another. I used to think Alex Trebec was an honorable man, but after seeing him and others like him offer this insurance that IS a SCAM for seniors, I have no respect for him. Best of luck. So, all is not equal definitely. I havent tried other heaters because Ive been satisfied. He claimed that in 1997, while outside the governor's office in Austin, he overheard a conversation about "wanting to bury George W. Bush's Vietnam service record". Eden Pure is a scam because the details are hidden in clever word usage the average person, many of them on here I see, cannot grasp. That was going to be a total of 5-6 zones. But this time, not only do they have Bob Vila promoting the device, they've added Al from Home Improvement! You don't need an EdenPURE product to close vents around your home, not in use. This heater will warm almost my entire upstairs, 1250 sq ft. Today, I had my central heat heat on 64 to try to save $$$ on my electricity. Realize that Villa talks about all of the heat loss from the furnace ductwork, then tells you to turn the rest of your house down to 65deg (using this same furnace he rails about)and the EP will keep you toasty, ROFL. Now if your heating a whole home that uses gas or electric and close off several rooms and used the eden pure to heat a few rooms, sure you will save money. There has got to be heat loss, because travels a long distance from the furnace ouside to the farthest point. The Amazon vendor that sells the $15.99 Lasko heater shown above wants $27.00 shipping! Price? Frame homes use a radiant barrier as a film on the foam insulation on the outside of the home. This actually makes their heater less efficient. Other heaters I've used don't keep the rooms warm because the controls don't allow the versatility that the EdenPure does. Now, if that is not a scam, a come on, a lead in, I don't know what it. While at home he is not acting as an agent of the business so his actions were not in conflict with his duty of loyalty or notification. This is an all electric home the highest electric bill in the winter has been $276 . Let me easily explain. Question: What is a radiant barrier? From $15 to the cheapest electric coil and fan garage heater (which I wound NOT recommend as it actually burns oxygen in the air), to $250 fancy infrared "wood stove-looking" (electric, of course) heater. What else can I do? And stop blaming others if you buy the wrong product because you did't do your homework. I guess not. Just don't turn on your heat. In repairing my ductwor, I found one unattached duct that was heating my attic! Thanks for pointing this out for those of us who are scam recognizably challenged. The USA has turned into a scam hotbed. Why oil-filled? A portable electric heater can keep small rooms warmer without heating the remainder of the home to a higher temperature. You cannot get more energy out of an electron than is in it. It seems to have been expurgated from their current advertising. I own a 500 and a 1000,I have breathing problems,used kerosene heaters and about died,plus it cost me $90 or more to warm and leave my house and clothes reeking of kerosene oil!I used the 500 watt in fairly cold weather. Buyer beware ! Let me first say, I have been praiseing the Edenpure for about 6 years. They basically cut our heating bills in half and keep us nice and warm during the cold Pennsylvania winter nights. Dont let anyone tell you the heat from their heaters is better or different. He is retired as a Lieutenant Colonel from the Texas Army National Guard . I bought Edenpure heater in December 2010 and my january heating bill doubled, and what they sent to me is not what I ordered from them. They make you confused with names, like US 1000, GEN 4 1000, GEN 3 1000. I purchased a gen4 2 months ago and could not find I was saving any money since Im all electric.I have notified the co I want to return the heater for a refund and they keep giving me the run around about sending me an RMA and the prepaid UPS slip to ship the unit back to them.after reading some of the other complaints I'm wandering if I will ever get a slip. Many times, the ductwork system in these homes are the coiled ductwork types that gets holes poked in it, or is otherwise leaky ductwork. According to these naysaying braniacs her hairdryer should put out more heat since they claim all heat sources are 100% efficient, etc. sellers and buyers must dedicate ourselves to paying the cost of doing the right thing or the one who doesn't dissappears. Keep up the good work EdenPURE! The EdenPURE portable electric heater is a scam by my count. Bill Burkett lives in Boerne, TX; previous cities include Helotes TX and San Antonio TX. We have the 1000, and the 1000XL, the are the first ones. If it heats, cools, moves air or water, we do it. Call your agent or insurance company if you have any questions. That splendid metal, so the story goes, has been incorporated into the design of Eden Pure heaters. so I'm told we will send you another RFH I don't think so on the customer service center letterhead it states OUR GOAL IS IOO% CUSTOMER SATISFACTION. VERY EXPENSIVE, but interestly enough my sisters was higher and she has a smaller home and a heat pump. So I am not really surprised. When Eric "Hoovey" Elliott, a promising basketball player, collapses on the court, doctors find a life threatening tumour in his brain. Minneapolis/St. PERIOD. 2) Say you live in a 11,000 sq. long time no see stevo it took me ages to find it this is there contact, and some info ,ring them for advice ,say mick give you there number. The EdenPURE performer the same as my $50 Lasko electric heater. I could not see any savings at all. Want a great laugh? If you have 5000 BTU, you can comfortably heat a space around 100-200 sq.ft with outside temperature of 20-30 F and typical insulation. I tried to return the heater and it has been a running around to find the right place where I purchased it from. Put an infrared heater in your bedroom. Poor Rita still doesn't get that cubic feet is the area that you have to heat, in a room. dont buy one these heaters mine was wsed for fore mounths and now it quit wrote them they said the tubes are 36.00 plus 6.95 shipping. CLAIM: With the EdenPure the temperature will not vary in any part of the room. A radiant barrier works best in the attic. They don't claim it will save you money. They have two 1000 watt and 1500 watt settings and will heat 200 sq feet, but from what I read, the 1500 watt setting is using more electricity. About 8 years ago, I got an estimate for ZONE HEATING for my home including the garage. If 1500W goes in, 5118 BTU comes out. And, regardless of what someone said about 1500 watts is 1500 watts and is going to heat the same area, that is not what I have read and have posted (copied and pasted from advertisements). If you rent, I would go with the DuraFlame at half the price and monitor the use, wear sweats, socks, and you will not only save money, you will be warm enough and have lower bills.+. Most heat guns even have a little twist flap on the back which does this to the heat gun so you can adjust the heat output it has nothing but coving up the airflow to adjust temp. With the economy and everyone wanting to save money, it is shameful that Mr. Villa put his name on this product. . William Burkett, William Lee Burkett, William L Burkett and William B Burkett are some of the alias or nicknames that Bill has used. Click a location below to find Bill more easily. I've purchased similar heaters at Home Depot, in recent years, for about &10.00. ritamarie , you're wrong on so many levels. In fact, I had to get up and turn down the heat later as I was sweating. if you live in california, with the EDEN pURE ,PGAETOLD ME THAT IT CAN COST YOU AS HIGH AS 50 CENTS AN HOUR TO RUN IT.my bill is usually 200 in the wintertime,for one month my electricity bill shot up to$360 and i had a saving of $28,gas. Im just another sucker. Bill Burkette, who was the original lead singer of American vocal group The Vogues, died Thursday at the age of 75. Sorry to sound so negative in my postings here, it's just I hate to see people get taken, especially someone who believes what they are sold on TV infomercials like these. My best friend bought two, I told her not to do it. Is anyone anymore really honest? i bought an eden pure heater for both myself and my elderly father and neither one will turn on after the first few times we used them with the screen flashing "not level" even though i used a level to verify they were sitting level .unfortunately this issue was not discovered until the start of the second year of use. CLAIM: [Other heaters with] cheap ceramic plates reduce humidity. Suarez Corporation Industries / Pinnacle Systems have absolutely NO component life test data to back-up their component life claims. The criticism must have impelled these heater hucksters of Suarez Corporation Industries (which peddles both the "Amish"Heat Surge heaters and the Eden Pure heater) to back off the fable about Jones and his "cured copper." Make sure that your home is well insulated and consider using a radiant barrier. 29/12/2020 . It has exactly the same power of 1000 to 2000 Watts as everything else including EdenPure. Many have been running now for well over 5 years and run almost constantly all winter long. I unpacked this one and turned it on and the fan barely would run. Consider Choosing a Different Electric Heater. It's not the space heater itself that saves you money, it's the fact you aren't heating the rest of the space in your home. I was just about to order an edenpure heater. Are Eden pure trying to rip you off. I have changed my mind and will not be purchasing the eden pure and will no longer trust Mr. Vila as someone who has MY best interest at heart. Sale price $247.00 Sale. Trust me. I forgot to point out in my other post that I also analyze forced-air systems in commercial bldgs and leaky ductwork systems are sometimes the reason along with poor airflow/clogged filters. A few comments are concerned with my personal experience with EdenPURE. I was about to order an eden pure online when I saw this site and decided to read consumer comments first. All I did was laugh when the very reputable heating and air company in our town quoted this amount. Yes other heaters have safety cut off switches but there not much good if your sofa has set on fire because the fire was too close. That's common sense. Like most people have said, 1500 watts of electric energy is just that, 1500 watts, Doesn't matter if it come out of a $20 Walmart heater or a $400 Eden, it'll do the same thing. It is a well-marketed $40 electric heater selling for $400 or more. A good quality heat pump with good ductwork WILL outperform straight resistance electric heat. A 1500-watt heater will produce at most 5000 BTUs. About the same. I tune mine up every year with the drop of oil and a little compressed air. These systems the japanese use do not use ducts!!! I borrowed a friends EdenPure 1000. 00 EdenPURE GEN40 Heater $247. Loves them! Their flagship product, the EdenPURE infrared heater, was first launched in 2007. After reading all the comments, there is no way that I will save any money with this EdenPure Heater and will not order this. What a fiasco-I will never purchase anything from Edenpure or anything associated with Bob Villa. are surprised when they experience comfortable, cost-efficiently operating systems in other manufactured homes. Infrared heaters are efficient and fast, and can also be a good choice for fast zone heating as they have fans (with all the consequences I mentioned above). Well, I was under the impression that maybe EdenPure discovered a way to make heat from electricity in a more efficient way than your basic $40 electric space heater. The point that needs to be understood is that any type of room heater that you utilize to perform "zone heating" will save you money. You do the math. He's doing this because he thinks its a good product and it is if used in the right situation. I called the company so I could exchane it but I have to pay shipping. What a total scam and very disappointed with Bob Vila!! It just says if you use an Eden Pure heater to do "zone heating"I you will save money. The Edenpure is better than most electric heaters because Of how it creates its heat. Have tried it a few times since after unplugging it and the same thing happens, it will run for just a couple of minutes and it dies. Of course, I was always skeptical, since their full page ads with lots and lots of "information" never mentions the heat output of the unit nor how much electricity it consumes. The key is that the Eden Pure is meant for a certain zone of from 300 - 1000 sq feet depending on the unit you select. Was informed that my order was not in the system as of yet, was instructed to call back after 24 hrs. Inexpensive Electric Heaters The Biggest Claim of All Electric heaters are not an efficient way to heat a home cheaply. I'm going to have to take back part of the comment about space heaters. You are dead wrong pilgrim. The reason why you can save on your utility bill is because you only heat a limited area of your home instead of heating areas not in use. Felt bad for the guy. The air movement inside an Edenpure heater is blowing the coldest air on the base of the bulbs and the bulbs cycle on and off frequently. You are just cutting costs by heating a smaller areasomething you could have done without a $400 space heater. I have read some very interesting posts on this website and one thing I can tell you is, you can spot the smart persons from the not so smart persons. The problem lays, as always, in Sales and Marketing (or Greed and Misleading), that makes EdenPure a hype from the cost vs.value point of view. All of your honest comments and reviews have just saved me from making a huge and costly mistake. I know others you spoke with like theirs, but it would be helpful to all readers to hear your experience. I am preparing to do that now. The BTU (British Thermal Unit) was developed for flame based heat, not electricity. I plugged it in this spring to take the chill out. Both heated equal areas in comparable ways, even though the Lasko only costs about $50. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 08, 2011: Don, that is why I recommend buying through Amazon so you have their return policy protection. Received a reconditioned unit a week ago. Since electric space heaters convert almost all the electricity into heat, they are all equally efficient. If your 40,000 btu furnace is 80% efficient, it is releasing into your house 32,000 btus WHEN IT IS RUNNING. Leverage your professional network, and get hired. He had to pay 25 bucks to ship it. Saying you might cut your heating bill in half is a lie. There just selling an alternative that has good and bad points like everything else on the market. Some are made in China using cheap bulbs and some are made in the usa. The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly. So people, please pay attention to this post and others like it and don't fall victim to this Biotech/Eden pure scam. My last post was cut off - 2) A btu is a btu 1500 watts is 5100 btu's .That is all you can put on a 120 volt 15 amp curcuit . Even your oil or gas-fired furnace does not reduce oxygen because the combustion gasses that go up the chimney are replaced by air infiltration. The customer service for these things is terrible, they leave you waiting on line for long periods listen to a recording telling you over and over you will wait less than a minute. Actually, when the Eden uses that copper coil to absorb the heat they're actually deceasing the efficiency of the heater. I borrowed one of these heaters from my Mom and it heated the whole back half of my house. How can heated ceramic plates absorb water? list of inmates being released due to coronavirus 2022. If you were to carefully cover up where air is coming into the hair dryer and feel the front it would get much hotter maybe still not as hot as the heat gun because it has built in overload protection and it will shut off by the time it gets that hot otherwise it might hurt some people. So why pay a few hundred dollar for a space heater when you can pick one up at your local big box store for $30? BTW, I did see a DuraFlame (the maker of the duraflame logs) had a heater with a description that was practically identical to the EdenPure and it was only approximately $225. But using ANY space heater will lower your heating bill if you turn your thermostat down! Also in the month I ran the Edenpure unit I saw an increase of about 8% on my electric bill versus the radiator unit. This scam reminds me of Obama: you can pretty much lie and say anything you want for a long time and get away with it ! Would i buy this. The same amount of air goes through. I am filing complaints against EdenPure ad commercials where I can, and working to get my mother's money back! I told her that I wanted my order cancelled and it was I hope. If you read EdenPURE ads carefully, you will note they insinuate you only have to heat the room you are in. So, that means 50,000 in insurance is going to cost that senior 500. a month. However, the radiant barrier can't be sandwiched between two objects as the contact point transfers heat away quite nicely. For the guy who said to close off the rooms and the vents in those rooms, don't you know that can damage your central unit. Square feet is the area of floor space, cubic feet is the amount of air in a room. I use the original carton for storing my heater in the off months. They are usually a rip-off. 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